1990 February 28 President Bush in fund raising speech in SF
"Time and agian in this century, the political map of the world was transformed. And in each instance, a new world order came about through the advent of a new tyrant or the outbreak of a bloody global war, or its end.

July 20 1992 Time magizine publishes"The Birth of the Global Nation" by Strobe Talbot,who is a Rhodes, roommate of Bill Clinton,CFR directot,Carnegie Endowment, and a Trilateralist. In it he writes:
All countries are basically social arrangements...No matter how permanent or even sacred they seem at any on time, in fact they are all artificial and temporary...Perhaps national sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all...But it has taken the events in our own wonderous terrible century to clinch the case for world government.
(Both quotes out of Secret Records Revealed NUV. Dennis Cuddy Ph.D)

NOW THEY JUST SAY IT... in the open

The Federation of
GLOBAL NATION

BASIC POLICIES

A one world federation government:

" It must succeed for poor and rich alike. It must deliver rights no less than riches. It must provide social justice and equity no less than economic prosperity and enhanced communication."

- Kofi Annan, Secretary General of the United Nations

THE FEDERATION OF GLOBAL NATION: WHY DO WE NEED IT?

Accountability: It will make Regional Governments, that is, the government of your own country, more accountable for their administration over the people. Regional Governments that become prone to corruption and mismanagement will be dissolved and replaced with fresh new Governments that work for the people.

Universal Security and Defence Forces: The Federation will absorb all defence and security forces from all the Regional Governments and bind them into one Imperial Force. The Federation maintains the complex issues of operations and procedures involved in running these forces. This frees Regional Governments from the burdens of defence and security and allows them to concentrate entirely on the domestic policies. Enabling them to serve you better.

Unified civil and criminal law: Under universal law, no matter where you go to in the world you will know what’s legal and what isn’t. These laws will be just and fair. The federation places high values and care not just on a select few but on every human being. The federation constitution demands equality for all people of all races, colour or creed.

No Death penalty: There will be no death penalty in the federation. People who commit murder and other crimes against humanity will be exiled to offshore penal colonies for the rest of their lives. While Security forces will patrol these penal islands, all other costs associated with the maintenance and upkeep of prisons and their inmates will no longer effect the taxpayer. The penal islands will have basic infrastructure to support inmate farms to allow inmates to fend for themselves.

Universal Taxation: Under the federation there will be a standard across board taxation system. Anyone earning under $30,000 per year would pay a 5-10% income tax. Above that a flat tax of 20% would apply. Corporations would pay 30%. There would be a ceiling on corporate income. A Corporation that tripled its profits would have to pay 30% plus 5% for every multiple over.

Global health services and Medicare System: A Federation Medicare System shall be installed to provide comprehensive health care to all citizens. Treatment shall be based on medical priority regardless of patients' income and shall be financed out of a global Medicare taxation levy. Prescriptions shall be subsidised to people on low incomes, children, expectant mothers, pensioners and other groups. Under the Federation you will be treated with the same high standards of health care when holidaying in Africa as you would when in Australia or England. If you get sick while in another country you will simply be able to check into a local doctor or hospital and be treated with the same care and cover as if you were at home. Over the first decade under the Federation the infrastructure of countries with poor or low hospital conditions will be a priority and rebuilt by the Federation to the high standards elsewhere in the world. No one will miss out.

Standardized education and Higher Education: Your degree in one country will be the same as in another. You can work anywhere in the world in your field without having to requalify.

A Global Currency: Currently " An unregulated global economy dominated by corporations that recognize money as their only value is inherently unstable ... and is impoverishing humanity in real terms" - Dr. David C.Korten. A Federation controlled one-world currency would eliminate currency speculation and the massive problems associated with countries taking advantage of other countries with weaker exchange rates. You would not lose a cent in exchange when travelling, the inconveniences and frustrations of forking out thousands of dollars to buy a couple of hundred dollars in another country would vanish. One dollar here would be the same as a dollar over there.

Oil and fossil fuels: One of the greatest problems associated with poverty and war in this world is the manipulation of the oil fields and other natural resources. At present greedy individuals, and companies control these vital resources. While it is fair that countries and companies should profit from the efforts of speculation, exploration, extraction and refinery of these vital fuels - it is not viable at the expense of human suffering that they should control, store and distribute such resources as they see fit. Under the federation all post extracted resources will become the property of the people and be distributed evenly by the Federation. High oil prices will cease to exist. Oil and other fuels will be subject to low holding and distribution levies. With the Federation controlling these important elements, the preservation of our natural resources will be able to be properly monitored and maintained.

Freedom of Movement: The citizens in the federation will become one people and one nation allowing them to travel or migrate to any other country in the Federation without hindrance or persecution. If you wanted to move from Hong Kong and live and work in New Zealand to be with relatives or friends you would be able to do so. People on low income, of less than 20,000 per year, would be able to apply for Federation Migration Transport status once per year. On approval, which is subject to a Regional population support level, individuals will be granted free federation transport whether via land, sea or air to any destination in the Federation.

Environmental Controls and Alternative Energies: The Federation will install universal environment controls. The Constitution demands the preservation and stabilization of mother earth. To aid in this, the federation will engage in scientific increase and creation of alternative fuels and power systems. Coal and Nuclear power plants will become dinosaurs of the past; the internal combustion engine will become an ancient machine. All advanced technologies that were previously hindered by the power of oil monopolies will be allowed to come into operation.

Natural Disasters: The death and mayhem associated with the natural disasters that happen in our world today will be reduced considerably. A global Emergency Service will immediately respond to victims of natural disasters by rescuing people from the effected area, repairing the damage and re-settling them back into the area if they choose so. The Federation Emergency Services will monitor possible danger areas and alert citizens and help evacuate before the events take full toll.

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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

- George Orwell

And the Rockefeller animals will be the most equal of all.

Originally posted by drutherford:
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Four legs good, two legs bad!
Four legs good, two legs bad!
Four legs good, two legs bad!
Four legs good, two legs bad!

Four legs good, two legs better!
Four legs good, two legs better!
Four legs good, two legs better!
Four legs good, two legs better

Why are so many socialists/communists the very ones who are rich as hell?

"A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers.... The greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth."
Aldous Huxley Brave New World foreword to 1946 edition

Originally posted by Drifter:
       Geeez, that article reads like a chapter from [i]Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley. I thought at first you might have made it up, but then I went to the website, and there it was. We are in trouble deep folks!

"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties." New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller Baden-Baden, Germany 1991

"We can see beyond the present shadows of war in the Middle East to a new world order where the strong work together to deter and stop aggression. This was precisely Franklin Roosevelt's and Winston Churchill's vision for peace for the post-war period."

Richard Gephardt, in The Wall Street Journal (September 1990)

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest
or consent." Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of
commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there
is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913)

"If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand up for human life, then his lawlessness will threaten the peace and democracy of the emerging new world order we now see, this long dreamed-of vision we've all worked toward for so long."

President George Bush (January 1991)

"But it became clear as time went on that in Mr. Bush's mind the New World Order was founded on a convergence of goals and interests between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, so strong and permanent that they would work as a team through the U.N. Security Council."

Excerpt from A. M. Rosenthal, in The New York Times (January 1991)

"I would support a Presidential candidate who pledged to take the following steps: ... At the end of the war in the Persian Gulf, press for a comprehensive Middle East settlement and for a 'new world order' based not on Pax Americana but on peace through law with a stronger U.N. and World Court."

George McGovern, in The New York Times (February 1991)

"... it's Bush's baby, even if he shares its popularization with Gorbachev. Forget the Hitler 'new order' root; F.D.R. used the phrase earlier."

William Safire, in The New York Times (February 1991)

"How I Learned to Love the New World Order" -- Article by Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. in Tthe Wall Street Journal (April 1992)

How to Achieve The New World Order -- Title of book excerpt by Henry Kissinger, in Time magazine (March 1994)

"The Final Act of the Uruguay Round, marking the conclusion of the most ambitious trade negotiation of our century, will give birth - in Morocco - to the World Trade Organization, the third pillar of the New World Order, along with the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund."

The "new world order that is in the making must focus on the creation of a world of democracy, peace and prosperity for all."

Nelson Mandela, in The Philadelphia Inquirer (October 1994)
The renewal of the nonproliferation treaty was described as important "for the welfare of the whole world and the new world order."

President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, in The New York Times (April 1995)

"Alchemy for a New World Order" -- article by Stephen John Stedman in Foreign Affairs (May/June 1995)

"One-fourth of humanity must be eliminated from the social body. We are in charge of God's selection process for planet earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death."
Psychologist Barbara Marx Hubbard - member and futurist/strategist of Task Force Delta; a United States Army think tank.

"The laws of physics prescribe that for every action there is a reaction."

Welcome to the club. Here's an address for you. The owner of the rumormillnews.net website, Rayelan Allen, is used to this kind of thing. She's probably been getting love notes like that for years. Send her that e-mail, maybe she can give you some advice.

rumormillnews@rumormillnews.com

Originally posted by Robodoon:
This is a big deal, one of the Richest Families in the world who have been working toward Global Government is just saying it right out front. They have a flag and Great seal and Consit. etc The com site is Rockefeller communications, now I'm I mistaken that this is THE Rockefeller family saying this stuff?
Look at the site a bit, you'll be sick, I don't think its a joke, because its what they have been planning for years and its a Rockefeller site.

I wouldn't worry too much. It is from Austrailia and appears to be the work of a rich but extremely bored person. Other websites under this 'name' show equal 'passion' for the 'arts' and screen writing, oil, gas, space exploration, etc., etc.

Robo and Drutherford--

Thanks,, ,,, yeah that line gives me the willies. I'll send it over to her, I think she is here around Santa Cruz too.

thanks again

Originally posted by drutherford:
"The laws of physics prescribe that for every action there is a reaction."

No prob, make sure you tell a friend

Originally posted by lucy:
Robo and Drutherford--

thanks, by the way.

They aren't just in Australia

meckley@attbi.com

The Honourable Michael James Eckley
Email
Representative for Ohio
Global Nation - North America

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GN1 - AUSTRALIA

Australia
The Honourable John Emile Mario Rayner
Party Secretary
Email
Representative of South Australia
Global Nation - Australia
The Honourable Mark O'Rourke
Email
Representative of Western Australia
Global Nation - Australia
The Honourable Amadeus Rockefeller
Party President
Email
Representative for Queensland
Global Nation - Australia
The Honourable Lord Peter Murray
Party Treasurer
Email
Representative for Tasmania
Global Nation - Australia

GN2 - NEW ZEALAND

New Zealand
The Honourable Murray Dunn
Email
Representative for Northland
Global Nation - New Zealand

GN3 - NORTH AMERICA

Canada
The Honourable Rebecca Godsalve
Email
Representative for Alberta
Global Nation - Canada

United States of America
The Honourable Michael James Eckley
Email
Representative for Ohio
Global Nation - North America
The Honourable Joseph Benjamin Stair
Email
Representative for Colorado
Global Nation - North America
The Honourable Debra Mohon
Email
Representative for Texas
Global Nation - North America
The Honourable Omar Benavides
Email
Representative for Florida
Global Nation - North America

GN4 - LATIN AMERICA
Representation pending

GN5 - WESTERN EUROPE

United Kingdom
The Honourable Geoffrey McNeil
Email
Represenative for Middlesbrough
Global Nation - England

GN6 - JAPAN
Representation pending

GN7 - EASTERN EUROPE
Representation pending

GN8 - AFRICA

South Africa
The Honourable Michael Orchard
Email
Representative for Cape Town
Global Nation - South Africa

GN9 - THE MIDDLE EAST
Representation pending

GN10 - ASIA & SOUTH EAST ASIA
Representation pending

Golly what is this? Is it real? Golly

----- Original Message -----
From: Rockefeller Global Communications
To: GAPresident@un.org
Cc: Rockefeller Global Communications
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:05 AM
Subject: AGENDA FOR THE NEW WORLD

To The General Assembly,

The time of the end is upon us. Like it or hate it, it's the destiny we must all face. On September 11, 2001 the world was witness to the beginning of the end. What we saw and experienced will be nothing compared to the calamity that is to soon transpire. It is sad that so many lives have been lost and yet so many more will be taken - but these things will continue to happen as this old system begins to collapse.

No human government in existence now or since the ancient times have been able to sustain a perfect order. Every government has failed and will fail. They can not protect you. They can not give you a place where people are truly free, where your neighbours are your family and foreigners are your friends. No human government today can or will ever be able to achieve this. That is why the Agenda was set. It has been referred to over time as Armageddon. But be not fearful. It will not be a nuclear holocaust or some stray asteroid from the heavens that will level our civilization.

In fact it's not the planet that will suffer and be swept away. It will be the human inhabitants of this great planet who have no respect or genuine regard for their fellow human beings. Each one of you over the next year must do some very deep and sincere thinking. You need to ask yourself these questions: Will I overcome my hatred for my fellowman or will I put aside my differences and unite and care for my neighbour? Will I treat them with kindness? Or will I continue to take advantage of them? When was the last time you took a person off the street and gave them some food or helped them find shelter for the night? Or sat beside someone on a bus, in a mall, on a train and said "Hello". When did you last comfort a stranger who had lost someone they loved. When was the last time you befriended someone not because of their possessions or their wealth - but simply because you cared about them? When was the last time you truly showed your human spirit and heart to your fellowman?

None of the above is easy. It is hard. None of us are perfect. None of us have had a good life. Some think that because we have suffered to some degree that we deserve what ever we can get - even if it means hurting another person in the process. But those who try and rise up against our negative ways will survive and will be rewarded with a life on earth that right now is only a dream. Only the meek will possess the earth. This is a certainty.

The New System is coming. The only question is: Will you choose to be there? Or will you continue to go down the road to self destruction. It's up to you. The following Agenda is unavoidable and you will need to endure through to survive and get there. So think deeply. It's your future. And may you all do well.

OK site still there...whew

Just in case you missed this

They are willing to kill,lie, destroy ...Whatever is needed to get the job done, most people won't go to those extremes to get their way, but some do.

Originally posted by lucy:
Why are so many socialists/communists the very ones who are rich as hell?

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But what about the domain?
I know they don't need the help, but they have to expose it to the public sometime, Strobe didn't write that book for nothing.
They might not care anymore, for its to late now?
I find it funny that a company pops out of no where in 99, dealing with communications, minerals and global security with the same name and domain as the Rockefellers.
If this isn't Rockefeller this guy is a nut case, who do you know that sits around creating global flags, global great seals and global constitutions?
Notice her domain .au

"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."

David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

If you look at the Flag and the great seal of this Rockefeller nuts site they are Luciferic!

Originally posted by curiousgirl:
Robo, there you go scaring people again! I've checked out the sites and hope many others do too. With the problems in the Catholic church, the end of that religion doesn't seem too far off. The pope's health is deteriorating and he'll be gone soon. I read somewhere that along with a global g'ment, there'll also be a global religion. This is pretty darn creepy. What do others think?

Sure, but I'd have to dig up some press on it.

Originally posted by historepeats:
Are there any ties with Rockefeller and Monsanto?

Whoa! The links are quite an eye-opener. Thanks for posting 'em, Robo. The "Left Behind" book series did a pretty good job at fictional depiction of this stuff. Or should I say, non-fiction?

Originally posted by curiousgirl:
Robo, there you go scaring people again! also be a global religion. This is pretty darn creepy. What do others think?

Global Green Religion by Henry Lamb..."Paul Gorman Executive Director of the Partnership NRPE, (National Religious Partnership for the Environment)says ..how people of faith engage the environmental crisis will have much to do with the future of the planet, and in all likelihood, with the future of religious life as well.
You see, the global objectives are transformation of social order into a global society organized around the notion that the earth itself is the giver of life and that all world's religions are evolving into a state of enlightment that recognizes GAIA as the true source of life and spirituality.

The Xinhau News Agency in China reports on trouble with genetically modified cotton. Called Bt cotton. Which now makes up 35 percent of cotton grown in China.
Bt does control the bollworm cotton pest, but it is also harming "natural parasitic enemies of the bollworm." In other words, it's killing more than it's supposed to kill. And by wiping out enemies of the bollworm, it's setting the stage for a self-fulfilling prophecy.
"See, we can't stop growing Bt now, because there are many more bollworms. Since enemies of the bollworm are being wiped out too, the bollworm population is exploding."
Chinese agricultural researchers have also discovered that Bt is encouraging the expansion of other insect pests.
To top it off, these researchers predict that Bt will cease to work against the bollworm in eight to ten years.
"Sorry, I guess we made a mistake. The Bt ultimately allowed the bollworm population to explode. And pretty soon the Bt won't work to kill the bollworm. Don't call us. Our phone is disconnected."
And then there is this admission from the Chinese researchers. The genes which are inserted into cotton to produce Bt drift into other plants in a random fashion and create mutants. In fact, all genes inserted into food crops for any purpose drift into other plants.
Oops. Seems a little late to be waking up to this central fact. Turns out that China is one giant bio-lab being run by morons and lunatics.
Which is exactly the case in scores of other countries, including the US and Canada.
In Australia, so-called integrated pest management is being practiced these days on a wider scale. This involves bringing in pest B to kill crop-pest A in growing fields. It's a much more benign solution.
Therefore, look for big companies like Monsanto and Aventis and Novartis to slam Australia.
Twenty years from now, we could see ten companies which have patented, and therefore gained ownership of, every food crop grown on planet Earth. In the process, these crops will have failed massively--leading to unheard of population wipe-outs.
But the companies will still own the patents on the crops. A quite different version of Diet for a Small Planet.

Well to this point the Elites do want massive deaths and famine. As well as the, redesigning nature for patents.
Its really sad that we as human beings who live on Earth can get in trouble for digging a hole in their yards, while these fat evil bastards redesign nature itself. A bit of a double standard (All for some and none for All)
But this is their mindsets, the elites really think of themselves as gods on Earth.
But the Almighty will be coming back soon to correct this so silly idea of these self appointed man and woman who stand on the necks of mankind. It also cracks me up that they say "Peace", "Safety", "No Slavery" while the whole time most of the HORRORS on Earth come from their like. You see when they say the meek will inherit the Earth they mean the people who don't fight will live........ sounds a little different that way don't it.

Peace and God Bless.........
PS If the site in question is really related to the Rockefeller family, world government has just been announced, but if its just some nut you should still take a peek at it, this is what is planned for the Earth and this is what the Elites have talked about and still talk about today.
The flags and great seal bother me very much they are completely occult and based on a Luciferic idea which is also in line with the Elites. So what you going to do?

level, must necessarily perish, unless room be made for them by the deaths of grown persons ... we should facilitate, instead of foolishly and vainly endeavoring to impede, the operations of nature in producing this mortality; and if we dread the too frequent visitation of the horrid form of famine, we should sedulously encourage the other forms of destruction, which we compel nature to use. Instead of recommending cleanliness to the poor, we should encourage contrary habits. In our towns we should make the streets narrower, crowd more people into the houses, and court the return of the plague. In the country, we should build our villages near stagnant pools, and particularly encourage settlements in all marshy and unwholesome situations. But above all, we should reprobate specific remedies for ravaging diseases; and those benevolent, but much mistaken men, who have thought they were doing a service to mankind by projecting schemes for the total extirpation of particular disorders. (13)
13. Allan Chase, The Legacy of Malthus:The Social Costs of the New Scientific Racism, University of Illinois Press, Chicago, 1980, p.6.

"The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in history." The New York Times: August 10, 1973
A Rockefeller said it. [1]
Dr. Dennis Cuddy, Secret Records Revealed, Hearthstone Publishing, Ltd., 1999, pp. 117-118.

"One of those bomber pilots, wounded unto death, the stump of an arm dangling by his side, gasped at me through the bubbles of blood he spat out 'General, which side are Washington and the United Nations on?' It seared my very soul." General Douglas MacArthur [2]
2. Gen. Douglas MacArthur, Reminiscences, McGraw Hill, 1964, p.369

Millions died in china in The social experiment in China and today the USA tells us that the UN is our friend.

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Uhhh, Robodoon........your above post smacks of idiocy. Do you REALLY think the Global Nation website would post on this one? Someone's trying to rile up some feathers.

Are you talking about the e-mail that was sent to me? I just posted it, don't know if it is really from them or not, but I thought it would be a good way to bump it one more time
Hey I would really like this to be nothing ,,getting e-mail from a "rockerfeller" if that who it is ... really sucks

Originally posted by curiousgirl:
Uhhh, Robodoon........your above post smacks of idiocy. Do you REALLY think the Global Nation website would post on this one? Someone's trying to rile up some feathers.

That was an e-mail? I hope you don't get much of that crap. I did notice that the PS seemed a bit on the threatening side, or is it just me.

Yes it sure is a little threatening,
"The laws of physics prescribe that for every action there is a reaction" bothers me a bit to, I got this on the first or second day this was posted.... very fast.

Originally posted by curiousgirl:
That was an e-mail? I hope you don't get much of that crap. I did notice that the PS seemed a bit on the threatening side, or is it just me.

So like who's in favor of this?

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Oh boy, Global Slavery for all, after all the bad people are removed and after all the Christians and Jews are removed, and after America is Destroy..... oh boy Rich people visions of tomorrow....golly its got to be wonderful, cuz we all know how loving and correct the mega rich are don't we.....
The rich say, just give us control of everything under the sun and it will be a happy day....for them

Originally posted by Magus:
I suggest you folks actually go to the Global Nation website and read the proposed global constitution. It's not as bad as some doomsayers would have everyone believe. And to answer the question there are far many more people out here willing to activly support such an organization than you may think.

"Global Nation would still be a democracy. So the only way the rich or corrupt could get in power would be if the people elected them."

Democracy alone is evil, that’s why America is a Republic ,,,so I take it you think Mob rule is good and democracies don't get bought out? Did you know the US government changed the definition of democracy from being the most evil thing to be ..to the best thing to be……our own government changing the meanings of words.

They have been planning this for over 100 years!!! And the big trick, is that they make you want it, after they cause horrors on the earth they offer you the answer...their answer.

Originally posted by Magus:
You obviously have not done your research on Global Nation. If you actually read whats on the sight there is obviously no intention to get rid of the Christians and Jews. Global Nation is so for the Hebrew religions that it is almost funny. As for the rich gaining power, Global Nation would still be a democracy. So the only way the rich or corrupt could get in power would be if the people elected them.

So your saying you didn't understand that the Communists are/were funded by the globalist capitalists, via their funkies and foundations...there would be no communism on the planet without the likes of the Rockefeller and Rothschild interests funding it.
Communism was made, it just didn't happen.
and the people who built communism to battle capitalism now offer you "Happy Land" and many are buying it.
Global Slavery and death for most....is their "Happy Land" they offer you after they have financed the horrors of the world.

Look at their great seal, its satanic!!!

Originally posted by Pragmatist:
its funny, but your starting to sound like a socialist. shall we confiscate the money from the rich and redistribute it???

Check that out. If the book of revelations is real that is another candidate for the one world religion.

Originally posted by Robodoon:
So your saying you didn't understand that the Communists are/were funded by the globalist capitalists, via their funkies and foundations...there would be no communism on the planet without the likes of the Rockefeller and Rothschild interests funding it.
Communism was made, it just didn't happen.
and the people who built communism to battle capitalism now offer you "Happy Land" and many are buying it.
Global Slavery and death for most....is their "Happy Land" they offer you after they have financed the horrors of the world.

You are not very bright. I had a look at this website myself and saw the name of YHWH or Jehovah on the great seal. If Global Nation were Satanic - then Satan is a dumbass and likes scaring himself to death. because that anicent name makes demons run for cover. I remember once hearing a lecture about the devine name being used by a future government. If a government beholds the sacred name of God then it will become Gods invincible government on earth - much like the Hebrews that carryed the ARK of the Covenant into battle. No army could defeat it. These global Nation people are smart. They behold the most powerful name in the universe that defends not only Christianity but the Islamic religion and many other religions. By the looks of things Global Nation could be the coming Kingdom prophesized in Daniel 2:44 "And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite" !

Well first of all putting the name of God on man is Satanic, I take that as a claim to godhood, you know like the fallen Angels.And them putting a circle around it, what a terrible joke-trick (you are gods..here is your cage) man oh man
Your right many "Rich" are good, but not the Rockefellers clan

"The United Nations, he told an audience at Harvard University, 'has not been able--nor can it be able--to shape a new world order which events so compellingly demand.' ... The new world order that will answer economic, military, and political problems, he said, 'urgently requires, I believe, that the United States take the leadership among all free peoples to make the underlying concepts and aspirations of national sovereignty truly meaningful through the federal approach.'" Gov. Nelson Rockefeller of New York, in an article entitled "Rockefeller Bids Free Lands Unite: Calls at Harvard for Drive to Build New World Order" -- The New York Times (February 1962)

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world
government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent,
all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties." New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system ,they will rule the future."
U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater in his l964 book: With No Apologies.

"The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups have one objective in
common: they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for "the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government."
Harpers, July l958

"The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."

- Democracy
A goverment of the masses.
Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of 'direct' expression.
Results in mobocracy.
Attitude toward property is communistic - negating property rights.
Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate,... without restraint or regard to consequences.
Results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.
Army Training Manual Concerning Citizenship 1928

"There is a chance for the President of the United States to use the disaster . . . to carry out what his father - a phrase his father used I think only once, and it hasn't been used since - and that is a new world order."
Senator Gary Hart, Sept. 14, 2001 [4]

PS the UN is pushing a satanic based global religion (ie Humanism) for the whole Earth, changing labels to hide behind is an old trick.

Originally posted by Nevaeh_the_Seraph:
[B] By the looks of things Global Nation could be the coming Kingdom prophesized in Daniel 2:44 "And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite" !

LOL LOL LOL
Yeah Right tell me another you
ser[=a]phim, pl.] One of an order of celestial beings, each having three pairs of wings. In ecclesiastical art and in poetry, a seraph is represented as one of a class of angels. --Isa. vi. 2.

Golly you're sounding for like a Rockefeller LOL....are you enlightened as well

Originally posted by Robodoon:
LOL LOL LOL
Yeah Right tell me another you
ser[=a]phim, pl.] One of an order of celestial beings, each having three pairs of wings. In ecclesiastical art and in poetry, a seraph is represented as one of a class of angels. --Isa. vi. 2.

I think you live in a very sad schizo world and are blind to everything accept the things you choose to see. it is interesting how there are plenty of narrowminded humans that love to tear down other people without first hand proof of anything. if any of this were in a courtcase the judge and jury would sit and laugh their ass off at you and throw your dumbass outa court for the contempt of sanity.

"You are not very bright" as you would say.
It sounds to me like your an elitist?

"it is interesting how there are plenty of narrowminded humans that love to tear down other people without first hand proof of anything. "
Oh, I see

You know you had better put on some thinker skin if your going to post, you know people are sometime mean when they are upset, and it seems though your feelings have been hurt.
Relax take a deep breath, its OK.... since your new here you'd better buck up a little, it can get rough and if you're having trouble dealing with me, get ready, cuz I'm a softy...

"I think you live in a very sad schizo world "
Well you got that right!!. I live in Santa Cruz California, a UN test ground for Agenda 21 in America...well we have been a socialist test ground for years...

Originally posted by Nevaeh_the_Seraph:
I think you live in a very sad schizo world and are blind to everything accept the things you choose to see. it is interesting how there are plenty of narrowminded humans that love to tear down other people without first hand proof of anything. if any of this were in a courtcase the judge and jury would sit and laugh their ass off at you and throw your dumbass outa court for the contempt of sanity.

Well Magus perhaps you could pray for me, that I might understand

Originally posted by Magus:
Careful Nevaeh, you don't want to sink down to his level. He's paranoid and doesn't know what it means to view something objectivly.

Robodoon, my point was that you always seem to assume the worst about everyone. Not everyone is out to screw over everyone else or to be truly evil. You immedietly assume that anybody that is trying to accomplish something you don't agree with must be some evil individual. Simply not a very realistic point of view. Is that good enough for ya bud?

But we aren't talking about everyone, we are talking about the Rockefellers who are evil, who have potted against the USA, who run foundations that destroy and change mindsets of people.
Have you know me so long that you can say " I assume the worst about everyone"
That's not true at all, I know most of the people on the Earth are good people who just want to be left alone.
Yet whenever the people start to get things going their way, in steps folks like the Rockefellers to get their little fingers into our pies, to tax us one more time, to take a little more control, to make more promises of a better tomorrow. But if one looks at the things WE are to be saved from, they have been created for the express purpose of offering a solution.
ie
Money worries = The Private Federal Reserve Bank and Plank 5 in the Communist Manifesto
and the 29 crash would not have happened without the Federal Reserve (it created the very thing the people where told it would stop)

WWI = League of Nations (Federation of Man) Failed ( our grandparents knew them)
WWII = Untited Nations (Named by FDR who was a CFR)(Federation of Man) (our grandparents forgot them)

I’m all for a better tomorrow and I believe most people are good.
A better tomorrow is promised by people who have been the trouble makers of the USA for the last 150 years, and now here in America… all that was once held dear are now look at a bases of "terrorism", not –PC, intolerant, mean-spirited, etc…..And were did these wonderful ideas come from, well some of the very Foundations and NGO’s that have been forwarded by the Rockefeller Clan.

Everyone wants a better tomorrow, but a better tomorrow based on lies and deception doesn’t contain truth and therefore will fail. But really this isn’t about a better tomorrow for all, it’s a better tomorrow for the ruling class who are self appointed and serfdom for the rest of us….oh boy……

Do you think is correct to manipulated, lie, cheat, steal and murder to build a foundation in which a new way (structure, even a paradox) could be offered the wore out masses as an answer to their problems…..

We didn’t have a hole in the chicken coop until the wolf put it there, now the wolf has offered to fix that troublesome hole, and the tired chickens thank him for his kindness.

Originally posted by Magus:
Robodoon, my point was that you always seem to assume the worst about everyone. Not everyone is out to screw over everyone else or to be truly evil. You immedietly assume that anybody that is trying to accomplish something you don't agree with must be some evil individual. Simply not a very realistic point of view. Is that good enough for ya bud?

This is all a bunch of alarmist malarky. Some guy named Rockefeller in Australia scrapes up $500 for a website, and we all think it's the American Rockefellers.

Well I'd really hope your right,but look what he's into.
Do you really think the real Rockefeller family would scoot over for someone holding the same name and allow them in to their monopolies? Hummm...maybe so.

did you remove the .au from the link and see where you end up?

Hey if you have got something to show this is a hoax love to see it. I'd love to write a nasty letter and tell them where to but their Global Nation, but I'm not going to take on the Rockefeller in a pissing contest, I still have a lot of work to do and would like to be around to do it

Originally posted by corndawg:
This is all a bunch of alarmist malarky. Some guy named Rockefeller in Australia scrapes up $500 for a website, and we all think it's the American Rockefellers.

Did anyone even read the link?

Originally posted by Magus:
Trust me. Global Nation is NOT a hoax.

I agree this isnt a hoax. If it was it would have been shut down immediately by just about every government on the planet not to mention the Rockefeller's themselves. Just reading through the Constitution is evidence that this innocent looking website is deadly serious. Have a look at the Constitution at the following article:

CHAPTER IV SECT 77

Vertical Integration Board

77. There shall be a Vertical Integration Board, with such powers of adjudication and administration as the Governing Body deems necessary for the execution and maintenance of States, within the Federation, of the provisions of this Constitution relating to trade, commerce and foreign policies, and of all laws made there under:

The Vertical Integration Board shall immediately take control and dissolve the following organizations, of which this list is not exhausted according to the directives that the Governing Body may execute; shall be: The Tri-Lateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, The United Nations, The Bilderberg Group, Club of Rome, Royal Institute of International Affairs.

DO YOU SEE the organisations mentioned above that GN is going to dissolve? The most powerful organisations on earth! These organisations would have jumped on GN immeditely if they were not privy too it. This is serious S***. Think people think.

Originally posted by Magus:
You are quite right. This is very serious indeed.

I see the United Nations has made an official recognition of Global Nation on the Q&A section of the website. Things are getting very interesting!!!!

Nut Jobs.

You boys need to loosen the aluminum hats you wear to keep the satellites from reading your thoughts.

Yes this is the basis for the Global Religion, THE SHAMBALLA Force, Luciferic!

Well help us out, don't just call us tin hatters.....

Please show us how we are mistaken...some data please
I don't want this to be real either

Originally posted by corndawg:
You boys need to loosen the aluminum hats you wear to keep the satellites from reading your thoughts.

I am a firm believer in a coming world gov't, for religious reasons. I also have enough common sense and web savvy to know this is total BS. Anybody that thinks a sinister new world order plot has an open webisite has too much time on his hands.

Hello, from what I can tell this is very real, if you have data proving otherwise, like to see it very much

Thank you,

Originally posted by Robodoon:
Well help us out, don't just call us tin hatters.....

Well if we are going to have global government anyway - then I for one would at least want one that I could vote in. So go GN baby go! And after you are in power swing around and shiton Robodoon and lock the looney up.

Originally posted by Magus:
Well I don't know about the other groups but GN is for real. GN is in the process of setting up political parties in every nation where such political institutions are aloud. Unlike some other groups out there GN isn't secretly plotting a global government. They are out in the open about it and setting up political parties so the people can decide if they agree with there view points through elections. As the way it should be.

"They are out in the open about it and setting up political parties so the people can decide if they agree with there view points through elections. As the way it should be."

So at least you’re up front, Quigley was trying to tell you guys this is the best way.
But I'm going to go down scrapping, but I guess you know that.

Originally posted by Magus:
Well I don't know about the other groups but GN is for real. GN is in the process of setting up political parties in every nation where such political institutions are aloud. Unlike some other groups out there GN isn't secretly plotting a global government. They are out in the open about it and setting up political parties so the people can decide if they agree with there view points through elections. As the way it should be.

Well you guys plan to do that anyway ..who are you kidding, you guys are going to kill people like me....cut the crap...they aren't building Concentration Camps, Train cars with leather restraints and Train yards 3 levels deep in hurricane fence with brand new furnaces to have a picnic.

Originally posted by Nevaeh_the_Seraph:
Well if we are going to have global government anyway - then I for one would at least want one that I could vote in. So go GN baby go! And after you are in power swing around and shiton Robodoon and lock the looney up.

[This message has been edited by Nevaeh_the_Seraph (edited July 19, 2002).]

Nahh I'd rather see you locked up within a crazyman cell with a small window so you can see outside and go schizo because you decided to HATE and not be apart of a benevolent free world society. Boy are you a looser!

Originally posted by Robodoon:
Well you guys plan to do that anyway ..who are you kidding, you guys are going to kill people like me....cut the crap...they aren't building Concentration Camps, Train cars with leather restraints and Train yards 3 levels deep in hurricane fence with brand new furnaces to have a picnic.

Originally posted by Robodoon:
[BSo at least you’re up front, Quigley was trying to tell you guys this is the best way.
But I'm going to go down scrapping, but I guess you know that.

[/B]

Originally posted by Nevaeh_the_Seraph:
Nahh I'd rather see you locked up within a crazyman cell with a small window so you can see outside and go schizo because you decided to HATE and not be apart of a benevolent free world society. Boy are you a looser!

Some post seem to be written as if a third party were watching the message that gets through is I am loyal i am not like them i'll be loyal to you master please beleive me i'm loyal i'm loyal.

Well, I tell you what. I am going to be a real bitch and really up the stakes on this whole forum. As soon as this message is posted the Echelon sub servers will start snapshots of all posts as the following key words will trigger the Echelon dictionaries:

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Originally posted by Strings:
Some post seem to be written as if a third party were watching the message that gets through is I am loyal i am not like them i'll be loyal to you master please beleive me i'm loyal i'm loyal.

[This message has been edited by Strings (edited July 20, 2002).]

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Originally posted by Nevaeh_the_Seraph:
Well, I tell you what. I am going to be a real bitch and really up the stakes on this whole forum. As soon as this message is posted the Echelon sub servers will start snapshots of all posts as the following key words will trigger the Echelon dictionaries:

This pud accuses Robo of hate yet he's the first to call for actions being taken against someone who differs from his opinion and wants the government to be the one to do it.

Good luck selling your farce if this sophmoric
behavior is what you got to rely on.

BTW- What "parties" that are "up front" about what they want are running where?

Facts please, spare me the blather.

Originally posted by stealthy:

BTW- What "parties" that are "up front" about what they want are running where?

Facts please, spare me the blather.

"decided to HATE"

LOL , you guys always crack me up.
You’re little black leather boots snapping to attention.

So, you support something based on opposing God, show up with Demonic symbols and sayings and when some one protests, you act like "they aren’t being tolerant " they are "full of hate"
You know I be the Jews of Germany hated the Soldiers that put them in the death camps.
Are they full of "hate" too? Is that what the Nazi soldiers told the Jews when they rounded them up?’ "You Jews are full of hate get on the Train!1".
AH yes I see the hate you are speaking off

Are you sure you’re not a short haired ,round angry woman who wants to be pretty but can’t and will take her wrath out on the "oppressor " men

Its not like people like me haven’t spent years watching the Rockefellers , Rothschilds and their secret little groups,,, whisper …whisper ;screw up the world and blame it on others.
Of course not. And its not that people like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds have spent years building up, tricking and lying to build their road to and their foundations, NGO’s for their Utopia World Government .

." But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." "
{From quote below}

First they thank the Press for "Hiding" them.
Then they say they have conditioned the population to the point, "the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government "

Seems some of these Politically Correct nut balls are getting their "OK" from Uncle Bucks ..A?

Angel Man
You are about as subtle as Hitler showing up with a gift at a Jewish Birthday party.

"Uncle Adolph has brought you a present full of love, Uncle Adolph hopes you will accept it and not be "intolerant" ; uncle Adolph would take that as a act of "hate" and will have to kill you."

Are you sure you’re not a short haired ,round angry woman who wants to be pretty but can’t and will take her wrath out on the "oppressor " men?
I guess not, you’re an PC elitist ,held together by big money that you haven’t earned, if you had to stand on you own you would fail for lack of common sense. Please keep talking to us you prove our points with each keystroke….spoiled brats with bucks.

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller Baden-Baden, Germany 1991

Originally posted by Nevaeh_the_Seraph:
Nahh I'd rather see you locked up within a crazyman cell with a small window so you can see outside and go schizo because you decided to HATE and not be apart of a benevolent free world society. Boy are you a looser!

Oh boy, I feel better, you mean like in America where we get to vote for the two candidates that have been "prepared for the people", two sides of the same coin? Out of the Aspen Institute that Rockefeller give so much dough to? Oh you mean so we can "Throw the Rascals out" A?

People they are laughing at you, don't you get it?

Originally posted by Magus:
Thats one of the wonderful things about a DEMOCRACY Robodoon. You can vote against GN candadites.

Stop trying to scare people, what do you think people in here don't understand we are being watch and recorded all the time?......OH...everyone be silent....shhhhh...they are listening....shhhhhh

BOOB! We know , we have nothing to hide, I for one am telling the truth. Although it seems the truth is combated with words like "Intolerance" and. "full of hate"...hay you'll have to do better than that, I live in a UN test ground for America, I'm use to the globalist/communist propaganda bit....oooooh.......you’re full of hate...(the show stopper). Well if disliking commie lov'n bastards is a bad thing put me on your list, that use to be
A good thing, but I guess it just gets a "Intolerant" label today

Originally posted by Nevaeh_the_Seraph:
Well, I tell you what. I am going to be a real bitch and really up the stakes on this whole forum. As soon as this message is posted the Echelon sub servers will start snapshots of all posts as the following key words will trigger the Echelon dictionaries:

Originally posted by stealthy:
This pud accuses Robo of hate yet he's the first to call for actions being taken against someone who differs from his opinion and wants the government to be the one to do it.

Facts please, spare me the blather.

Oh boy Magus I bet you can tell I can't wait.

Peace on Earth, when the bully gets his way.

Originally posted by Magus:
Well GN is quite honest about their goals. All you have to do is go to the website and read the proposed constitution to know what they want. Doesn't get much more honest than that. I think the GN political party has been registered in Australia but I don't have anything solid on that yet. They are planning on getting the political party registered and running in North America next summer.

Could you point out these "helpful" groups you are speaking about? Like to see them

Originally posted by Magus:
Robodoon I am not saying none of the groups are evil like you think (there is more than enough proof to show some are, I'm saying not all of the groups are like that. Some really do want to help. You can't call some people evil for wanting to make it a better world just because some other people have been shown to have sinister agendas.

You really take me for an idiot don't you?.
You can't provide any of these "Good Groups" cause they are all connected.

Was the "Rockefeller Foundation" one of the Good ones Magus? or should I say "helpful"

Originally posted by Magus:
Why Robodoon? You believe they are all evil and out to get you anyway. Carnegie on the other hand IS evil. Carnegie was Illuminati. Those guys you DO have to look out for. People like them need to be stopped.

I don't think your an idiot. Paranoid? Probably. Pessimistic? Definetely. What is the point of trying to prove to you that there are good people in the world when you will just come up with some wacky theory about how they are trying to bring Hell to earth or simply call me a liar? There is no point in arguing with you because you have already made up your mind that everyone is evil and out to screw the little guy. Unfortuanetly I have more faith in mankind than you. Are there sick and twisted sadistic bastards out there? Yes. Is everyone like that? Hell no. Not everyone has some sinister agenda. Not everyone is out to take your house, your family, your happiness, or your life. If you seriously believe everyone is out to get you then you need therepy. If that is not what you believe then you need to be clearer in your posts since that is how you come across in all your posts to me. Have a good day.

Wiggle Wiggle a Magus?
Just answer the question.
I don't think everyone is evil, if fact I think I have posted many times I think most of the people on Earth are good.!!!

But you know what I'm getting at and you can't answer, because you have already have and you know it.!!

Is that such a hard question...is the Rockefeller Foundation a good or helpful group....very easy to answer...you answered very quickly about Carnegie, why not Rockefeller....Since a Rockefeller is heading up Global Nation I thought I'd ask the "pro's"

Originally posted by Magus:
I don't think your an idiot. Paranoid? Probably. Pessimistic? Definetely. What is the point of trying to prove to you that there are good people in the world when you will just come up with some wacky theory about how they are trying to bring Hell to earth or simply call me a liar? There is no point in arguing with you because you have already made up your mind that everyone is evil and out to screw the little guy. Unfortuanetly I have more faith in mankind than you. Are there sick and twisted sadistic bastards out there? Yes. Is everyone like that? Hell no. Not everyone has some sinister agenda. Not everyone is out to take your house, your family, your happiness, or your life. If you seriously believe everyone is out to get you then you need therepy. If that is not what you believe then you need to be clearer in your posts since that is how you come across in all your posts to me. Have a good day.

Robodoon - you are such a stupid ass. What your basically saying is that because you believe the Rockefeller Foundation is evil that Amadeus Rockefeller and Global Nation must be evil too. That's like saying if Robodoon had a cousin who was a serial killer - then Robodoon must be a serial killer too. Now is that fair to speculate like that??? Asshole.

Originally posted by Robodoon:
Wiggle Wiggle a Magus?
Just answer the question.
I don't think everyone is evil, if fact I think I have posted many times I think most of the people on Earth are good.!!!

Originally posted by Nevaeh_the_Seraph:
Robodoon - you are such a stupid ass. What your basically saying is that because you believe the Rockefeller Foundation is evil that Amadeus Rockefeller and Global Nation must be evil too. That's like saying if Robodoon had a cousin who was a serial killer - then Robodoon must be a serial killer too. Now is that fair to speculate like that??? Asshole.

[This message has been edited by Nevaeh_the_Seraph (edited July 22, 2002).]

Whoa pal.

You will not call another moderator or any other member names, nor cuss on this forum.

This is is not up for debate.

This is a civil forum. Your viewpoint will be heard. But not in violation of the forum rules.

This goes for all of you.

You got a problem, take it to email.

This is fair warning.

Do it again, and you're gone.

HA THATS A JOKE. I have noted how you seem to be very scared of the things I have to say. Locking down two of my topics already. Is America such a free country. Hell NO. You and this forum are living proof of this. And as for cusing. Don't gimme no rubbish about that. I have read over a dozen or so posts where cursing is frequent. And I ain't your pal. Don't threaten me either. You dont know who I am and what I can do - pal. OOoooo your all so scared of the federal authorities if you ask me. Freedom of speech - phooey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Key set: echelon, terrorist, assassinate, president, anti-government, riot, illuminati, al-Qaeda, bin Laden, espionage, spy, destroy, anarchy, national security, Whitehouse, fbi, cia, nsa, fema, taliban, demonstration, anti-american, nuclear, weapons; end key

Originally posted by The Constitutionalist:
Whoa pal.

[This message has been edited by The Constitutionalist (edited July 22, 2002).]

Originally posted by Nevaeh_the_Seraph:
HA THATS A JOKE. I have noted how you seem to be very scared of the things I have to say. Locking down two of my topics already. Is America such a free country. Hell NO. You and this forum are living proof of this. And as for cusing. Don't gimme no rubbish about that. I have read over a dozen or so posts where cursing is frequent. And I ain't your pal. Don't threaten me either. You dont know who I am and what I can do - pal. OOoooo your all so scared of the federal authorities if you ask me. Freedom of speech - phooey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really haven't been following your discussions, as I have no interest in conspiracies. There is no freedom of speech in the NewsMax forum. It is a privately run forum, funded by private dollars. This means that the Forum has the right to control what is posted on it, just as you have the right to place on your website what you will.

This said, if any of your threads have been locked down or moved, it was for reasons of them being off topic, or a ruled violations occured. Had your threads been closed or moved for idealogy or content contrary to what I believe, this thread would have been closed too. I respect your priviledge as a Newsmax forum guest and member to discuss what you desire.

For you to be under the mistaken understanding that you are being censored is patently absured.

Your only transgression here is that you are calling a moderator names, while he has not engaged in like behavior.

You owe him the same courtesy as he extends to you.

Nice. The representative of the self elected king of the "globe" is threatening me.

Let's take a look at the Preamble to Global Nation's Constitution.

And whereas it is expedient to provide for the admission into the Federation of other Nations who wish to share and join our great benevolence and possessions and protection of the Supreme State Sovereign to whom shall be the protector and defender of mankind and mother earth:

Jeeze. Your threats and rantings are in direct opposition to your Constitution.

While your constitution is sugar coated and all fuzzy and warm on the outside, your words contradict the spirit of your constitution.

How do you plan to implement your global utopia? Trough silencing the opposition? Through coercion? Through bully tactics? Do your words speak for the entire leadership and all the representatives of GLOBAL damnNATION? Is that how you intend on meeting your one-world utopian goal? Through intimidation of those who you don't see eye to eye with?

Your statement of; "You dont know who I am and what I can do." illustrates your mentality. If you don't get what you want, you take it by force, and all others will suffer your wrath.

You defniately have a public relations problem if you cannt even contain your emotions enough to remain benevolent and at least stick with the illusion that you are fronting for a kind leader.

You've blown your cover.

I don't care if you are a Rockerfeller, or are associates with the Rockerfellers or who you are. You've exposed yourself as being an amature, a fraud, and a wannabe. You've shown through your words "You dont know who I am and what I can do" of how insideous your dictatorial ideas through Global Nation are.

My question is this. Do you threaten all those who don't agree with you, and is your agenda to silence them?

If so, your actions are in direct opposition of your Preamble to your Constitution, which reeks of hypocrisy

WOW - what weed have you been smoking? Hahaha thats funnny!

Originally posted by The Constitutionalist:
Nice. The representative of the self elected king of the "globe" is threatening me.

[This message has been edited by The Constitutionalist (edited July 23, 2002).]

Yes, I do get emotional, but hey, it keeps things interesting. It keeps people on their toes and gives boring forums some spice.

I am a she by the way. Or am I too 'in your face' to be considered a she? Oh well thats me.

Hmm ... it sounds like you are a Global Nation member though. This is interesting. You are very diplomatic in your wording. Are you a member of Global Nation or associated with them?

Originally posted by Magus:
As far as I know Nevaeh is not a representetive of Global Nation. If he were then due to his emotional outbursts, as good intentioned as they may be, would cause him to immedietly be removed from that post. So do not compare him to the reps for Global Nation.

I agree this isnt a hoax. If it was it would have been shut down immediately by just about every government on the planet not to mention the Rockefeller's themselves. Just reading through the Constitution is evidence that this innocent looking website is deadly serious. Have a look at the Constitution at the following article:

CHAPTER IV SECT 77

Vertical Integration Board

77. There shall be a Vertical Integration Board, with such powers of adjudication and administration as the Governing Body deems necessary for the execution and maintenance of States, within the Federation, of the provisions of this Constitution relating to trade, commerce and foreign policies, and of all laws made there under:

The Vertical Integration Board shall immediately take control and dissolve the following organizations, of which this list is not exhausted according to the directives that the Governing Body may execute; shall be: The Tri-Lateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, The United Nations, The Bilderberg Group, Club of Rome, Royal Institute of International Affairs.

DO YOU SEE the organisations mentioned above that GN is going to dissolve? The most powerful organisations on earth! These organisations would have jumped on GN immeditely if they were not privy too it. This is serious S***. Think people think.

Originally posted by Nevaeh_the_Seraph:
Robodoon - you are such a stupid ass. What your basically saying is that because you believe the Rockefeller Foundation is evil that Amadeus Rockefeller and Global Nation must be evil too. That's like saying if Robodoon had a cousin who was a serial killer - then Robodoon must be a serial killer too. Now is that fair to speculate like that??? Asshole.

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Well make the point, tell me of One of these Helpful groups..I asked about the Rockefeller Foundation..please give me an example of Good they have done.. very easy question, but for some reason you can't answer...just call me nasty names....golly

Originally posted by Magus:
While Nevaeh's termonology may be ruff around the edges his core statement is sound. That is exactly the point I was trying to make Robodoon. I may have chosen to phrase it in such a colorful fashion but the core message is accurate none the less

And Angel man Poops a brick....we know who you are.!!

Originally posted by Nevaeh_the_Seraph:
WOW - what weed have you been smoking? Hahaha thats funnny!

I guess you'll have to fire him then.

Originally posted by Magus:
As far as I know Nevaeh is not a representetive of Global Nation. If he were then due to his emotional outbursts, as good intentioned as they may be, would cause him to immedietly be removed from that post. So do not compare him to the reps for Global Nation.

Oh really. Who am I? And stop calling me a man. You think a women can't outsmart you?

Originally posted by Robodoon:
And Angel man Poops a brick....we know who you are.!!

My curiosity is now piqued.

Just who do you think you are, and what do you think you have the power to do?

If you're going to insinuate a threat, I'd like to at least know who is making the threats.

BTW? I don't care if you are a man or a woman, as if that makes any difference to me.

I tell ya what mister. I'll email u my beautiful photo.

Originally posted by The Constitutionalist:
My curiosity is now piqued.

BTW? I don't care if you are a man or a woman, as if that makes any difference to me.

Originally posted by Nevaeh_the_Seraph:
I tell ya what mister. I'll email u my beautiful photo.

Photo not necessary.

You act like a bigshot, I want to know that that bigshot can do.

Are you backing down?

Would you care to retract your threat and issue an apology? Or will you continue to skirt the issue?

I have no problem with, and would enjoy debating you on the issue.

But I will not allow you to badger and attempt to intimidate other users on this forum, nor post inaccurate statements of how you should be feared.

I certainly have no fear of you, but i do find you amusing.

Oh thats right change the topic.
So you are a small round lady with a short hair cut that hates men? LOL

Originally posted by Nevaeh_the_Seraph:
Oh really. Who am I? And stop calling me a man. You think a women can't outsmart you?

HA THATS A JOKE. I have noted how you seem to be very scared of the things I have to say. Locking down two of my topics already. Is America such a free country. Hell NO. You and this forum are living proof of this. And as for cusing. Don't gimme no rubbish about that. I have read over a dozen or so posts where cursing is frequent. And I ain't your pal. Don't threaten me either. You dont know who I am and what I can do - pal. OOoooo your all so scared of the federal authorities if you ask me. Freedom of speech - phooey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Key set: echelon, terrorist, assassinate, president, anti-government, riot, illuminati, al-Qaeda, bin Laden, espionage, spy, destroy, anarchy, national security, Whitehouse, fbi, cia, nsa, fema, taliban, demonstration, anti-american, nuclear, weapons; end key

Power corrupts and absolute power; corrupts absolutely

Does everyone see this?
Without even coming to power we are faced with minions who can't even keep their fingers out of the power jar. Do you expect much better from those who truly are elites?
The ones who claim they are becoming gods themselves....no really thats what they are claiming.
But its not about Religion?.....right

Magus,

Are you up to some rational questions about Global Nation?

I have some serious questions that I would like you to entertain.

First, are you a representative of Global Nation?

If so, are you able to speak for Global nation on thier behalf about policy and the Global Nation Constitution?

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Hop to:

Now I realize that there is alot of different groups that see themselves as third parties and blah blah blah. But wanting to create a one world government, in turn creating a system with one ultimate power is rather terrifying. If think that a One goverment would still allow us to choose our government here at home, and have found others that are willing to believe that garbage, then email their names to me, I have some Ocean front property in Iowa that I would like to sell them.

You entire goal of a one world govt, in and of itself would cause more problems than it would ever fix.

In fact, who was it that wanted to have one government to control the world, oh yeah Hitler wanted that, now its all coming together.

Originally posted by Magus:
I am always open to rational questions on any topic. To answer your questions yes and yes. If you look at my email address you will see what my real name is. If you go to the GN website you can verify that my name is on the reps page. Now as for your other questions, shoot away.

OK, here are the first questions in the series of my questions.

CHAPTER V SECT 93

(ii) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of their property:

Define extreme fundamentalism?

If a person found guilty of "extreme" fundamentalism is to be exiled immediately from the federation, does that not conflict with; Chapter 104 - 9, section (i)& (ii) and Chapter 107 (i) & (ii)?

Would the immediate exile of a person for fundamantalism, which is undefined under the Global nation Constitution not allow hom equal protection under the law and a gurantee of due process? What happens to his finances and property? Is he allowd to liquidate his properties, investments and assets to support himself in exile, or do those things become the property of the state, with the exiled person being exiled as a pauper?

(ii) Control of Firearms: There shall be strict licensing and control over the sale of firearms and their possession. Private ownership of highly dangerous weapons is a breach of Federation security and is banned.

Define highly dangerous please? Any weapon may be seen as highly dangerous. Do you propose banning all weapons on the hands of privae citizens, or only functioning weapons capable of actually shooting bullets?

I, a member of the human family of planet Earth, do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the Supreme State Sovereign, His/Her heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.

Is this oath or allegiance mandatory? What happens if I as a citizen of a country that signs on to the federation disagrees with the governing body of the federation?

What happens if Oaths or Allegiances are against a person's religuous beliefs? He he branded a fundamentalist and exiled without due process?

One more thing. Under your systen, my state would initially elect two senators to represent me while I continue to pay taxes. These senators would in turn elect the supreme leader? Where does taxation with representation come into play here?

How can you quarantee that all people in the North American State will get true representation?

Will the first Supreme State Soveriegn be Amadeus Rockefeller?

I await your answers.

Bump because I want to read Magus's reply

Thank you for your questions Constitutionalist. I see that you enjoy asking the hard questions and I respect that. I shall do my best to answer them to the best of my ability and we shall see if that is good enough.

1) Extreme fundamentalism. I would have to say that most religious individuals are good people that simply want goodness for there fellow people. A minority of those people could be classified as fundamentalists. Those individuals feel so strong about their religion of choice that it borders on near fantacism. Christians who inform as many non-christians as possible they are going to Hell unless they convert. Muslims that declare all infidels will be destroyed by the might of Allahs warriors, etc. Now those who make threats and follow through would be extremests. Christions that hunt down and kill abortion clinic doctors. Muslims that blow up non-muslims. Those individuals that feel they must use violence (AND DO use violence) against others in order to make their God happy.

2) 104-9 would not be violated because of due process. An individual would have the right to a fair trial and would only be punished if found guilty. As for the liquidation of assets I don't know. There is nothing in the Constitution to resolve that issue. That is just one of the many laws that the Governing Body of GN would have to pass. As for being a pauper in exile you need to read the Constitution more closely. Criminals would not be imprisoned or exiled to foreign nations. They would exiled to penal colonys. They would be given the tools nessecery to grow their own food and survive on their own and that is all. This way the only taxpayer money being spent on criminals is the money required for the farming equipment and the security to make sure they don't escape from their island prison (or whatever location the colony happens to be). In this way minimull cost will be placed upon the honest taxpayers.

3) Firearms. There is a difference between a .22 and a M16. Between a hunting rifle or shotgun and a bazooka. Even in the US the more dangerous firearms are only legal to those with the proper permit. I don't think Bazookas and Vulcan cannons would be necessary or appropriate in the civilian population. Again the specifics laws will have to be made by the elected represenetives.

4) Many governments including the US require an individual to make an oath when they recieve a high ranking office or other government position. If you disagree with the governing body then you may either move to a nation that is not part of the federation or simply wait till election time and vote for a different candidate, same things you can do now.

5) Actually each region has 3 senetors. The income tax rate is written in the constitution. As to other taxes (sales,etc.) those laws will be written by the senetors when they are elected.

6) How can you guarentee that your current politicaians are representing you now. Pay attention to what they are doing and if you don't like it, then to reelect them. Same as any other polotician.

7) There is no way to tell who the first Supreme State Soveriegn will be. Amadeus himself has completely refuses to even entertain the thought he himself being chosen. He has already refused to be considered.

8)There are 3 Senators per state. These representing a Positive Motion, A Negative Motion and a Neutral Motion. The Neutral will listen to the arguments that the other two senators from that state make about a proposed law or amendment and will support the argument that is deemed for the best interests of the people. That decision is then put to the Regional Senate as an agreed whole vote 'for' or 'against'.

The Sovereign is chosen by the Regional Senate and the High Council. The selection process is subject to high scrutiny and an elimination process of which the candidate is subject to the conditions set out in the constitution. What makes the sovereign selection so different from our current system of empowering heads of state is that You don't need to be rich or a politician to be nominated. Anyone who meets the requirements set out in section 106 can be nominated and put before the Governing body in the selection process.

CHAPTER X SECT 106
Installation of the Supreme State Sovereign

106. The installation of the Supreme State Sovereign shall be chosen by the Governing Body of the Federation and the term of power shall be for ten years before another Supreme State Sovereign is selected for succession. The Supreme State Sovereign shall be chosen from a group of prospective applicants who demonstrates or show the ability in the following:

i. A person who is either male or female between the ages of 18 and 65years:

ii. A person either natural-born or for at least five years naturalized under a law of the Federation, or of a region which has become or becomes a State, or of the Federation, or of a State:

iii. A person who is able to show great compassion for fellow human beings:

iv. A person who is an advocate of Freedom and Equality of all races:

v. A person who believes in the advancement of the human race for the benefit of the Common Good:

vi. A person who shuns those who pursue monetary gain and material gain over the well being of fellow humans:

vii. A person dedicated to protecting all those who may suffer under the authority of oppression or under the hands of those who wish to dominate people to their injury:

viii. A person who believes in peaceful co-habitation with fellow human beings:

ix. A person able to display diplomacy:

x. A person of moderation and mid temperament:

xi. A person who will uphold the laws of the Constitution:

xii. A person willing to sacrifice their time to loyally serve the people of the federation:

xiii. A person of competent and sound mind who is able to carry out their functions as the Sovereign leader of the federation:

xiv. A person that has no affiliation with any political group or civil association. Unless however they cut all ties and contacts with such groups or associations on their appointment:

I hope I have answered your questions to your satisfaction. If you have any other questions feel free to ask.

Sorry, I shall take my chances with what I have now. As NASCAR has pointed out, I'll stay with my beach front sea of corn in Iowa. Whether I be alone in my belief, so be it. I for one wish to remain independent from the world and the likes of this.

Feeble hearted? Ouch. I don't think you are feeble minded. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have my opinion and you have yours. Feeble hearted though? I don't see how that statement has any basis in reality. I hope you can be a little more constructive next time. Personal flames do not enhance the debate, it simply detracts from it.

Originally posted by Magus:
Feeble hearted? Ouch. I don't think you are feeble minded. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have my opinion and you have yours. Feeble hearted though? I don't see how that statement has any basis in reality. I hope you can be a little more constructive next time. Personal flames do not enhance the debate, it simply detracts from it.

My post was not directed at you personally, rather you and your likes intentions.

But perhaps you felt threatened by my statement because it got to your heart?

I am being constructive. I'm finding ways and educating people that we can have great societies free of your socialist/communist/one/new world order utopia plans. There are better solutions than your plans. It was once what America was. I intend to live in this country to see the day that such an America will return.

Wasn't on TV
sad to say but that is about it.

Originally posted by Robodoon:
"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties." New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

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>>> This is unbelievably scary stuff. How has it been kept so hush hush for so long?

Originally posted by Robodoon:
You know if you have some data to disprove this site is related to the Rockefellers I would like to see it.
If you read this and you are to scared to respond, think how you are going to feel in a few years. If you're to scared to talk now, you will be to scared later. so what it going to be, mice or men....?

Originally posted by curiousgirl:
Robo, there you go scaring people again! I've checked out the sites and hope many others do too. With the problems in the Catholic church, the end of that religion doesn't seem too far off. The pope's health is deteriorating and he'll be gone soon. I read somewhere that along with a global g'ment, there'll also be a global religion. This is pretty darn creepy. What do others think?

Originally posted by Administrator2:
My post was not directed at you personally, rather you and your likes intentions.

I am being constructive. I'm finding ways and educating people that we can have great societies free of your socialist/communist/one/new world order utopia plans. There are better solutions than your plans. It was once what America was. I intend to live in this country to see the day that such an America will return.

Originally posted by Sons of Liberty:
>>>"Is life so pure or peace so sweet to be bound by chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God. I know not what others may choose but as for me give me liberty or give me death." Patrick Henry....Perhaps the best quote in history

When your right, your right. Not much else to say on that.

Originally posted by Magus:
You obviously have not done your research on Global Nation. If you actually read whats on the sight there is obviously no intention to get rid of the Christians and Jews. Global Nation is so for the Hebrew religions that it is almost funny. As for the rich gaining power, Global Nation would still be a democracy. So the only way the rich or corrupt could get in power would be if the people elected them.

>>> Since when has democracy been equated with freedom? Many historical people have warned of "democracy" leading to tyranny.

Originally posted by Magus:
Feeble hearted? Ouch. I don't think you are feeble minded. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have my opinion and you have yours. Feeble hearted though? I don't see how that statement has any basis in reality. I hope you can be a little more constructive next time. Personal flames do not enhance the debate, it simply detracts from it.

>>> You stated earlier that any person choosing not to be a member or who is expelled can live in a country that has not joined this union. With the world being cut up into sections, where would these "non conforming" states be? And what would prevent the global govt from controlling them?

Originally posted by Sons of Liberty:
>>> Revelations does not embrace a one world religion, it warns against it. And democracies always end up tyrannical. Please show me one that did not.

Originally posted by Sons of Liberty:

>>> You stated earlier that any person choosing not to be a member or who is expelled can live in a country that has not joined this union. With the world being cut up into sections, where would these "non conforming" states be? And what would prevent the global govt from controlling them?

Vecause of the duties I have as a moderator, I am compelled to move this thread to the category of Globalism.

This is not a punative action, but rather a function of keeping things orderly.

Please continue the discussion in the Globalism forum.

Magus,

I have a question Magus. You have stated that those countries who wish not to join this global government will not be forced to do so. Now tell me what will the ramifications of not joining be? Will they see UN style "peacekeeping" troops or will they be refused trade with member countries? Or perhaps could any negotiations done with member countries be unfairly bent to favor members of this global government?

One last question for now. Presently the make up of the UN is mostly leaders from countries with either oppresive regimes or substantially less freedom then Americans are acustomed. This in mind, when an election takes place, what is to prevent these rulers from gaining control and imposing such measures on the rest of mankind? The Constitution itself will not stop such transgressions as our own Constitution have been circumvented time and time again.

Originally posted by Magus:
Thank you for your questions Constitutionalist. I see that you enjoy asking the hard questions and I respect that. I shall do my best to answer them to the best of my ability and we shall see if that is good enough.

1) Extreme fundamentalism. I would have to say that most religious individuals are good people that simply want goodness for there fellow people. A minority of those people could be classified as fundamentalists. Those individuals feel so strong about their religion of choice that it borders on near fantacism. Christians who inform as many non-christians as possible they are going to Hell unless they convert. Muslims that declare all infidels will be destroyed by the might of Allahs warriors, etc. Now those who make threats and follow through would be extremests. Christions that hunt down and kill abortion clinic doctors. Muslims that blow up non-muslims. Those individuals that feel they must use violence (AND DO use violence) against others in order to make their God happy.

Proselytizing is acceptable? Would preaching from the pulpit about homosexuality being a sin be acceptable? Would the denial of women or gays becoming clergy within a church be acceptable? Would the Constitution of the federation before the establishment of the federation became a reality be willing to reflect freedom of speech in religious matter from the puplit and in public, or would only P.C.ism be the norm.

Wheile we are on the subject, would a citizen of Global Nation enjoy feeedom of speech when being critical of government? Would the Constitution specify this also, before the Global nation became a reality?

You need a more specific Bill of Rights to gurantee specific rights of the individual, written in terms that are plain and not subject to interpretation to fit the scenario.

Originally posted by Magus:

2) 104-9 would not be violated because of due process. An individual would have the right to a fair trial and would only be punished if found guilty. As for the liquidation of assets I don't know. There is nothing in the Constitution to resolve that issue. That is just one of the many laws that the Governing Body of GN would have to pass.

What the governing body must do, is to install guaranteed rights to the people. The rights that you have now are broad and non-specific, which could be used by the Governing body to control the people. These rights must be specific and must have teeth, to gurantee the governing body does not become tyrannical.

Tell me. Would the Federation governing body be a government for the people, by the people? What gurantees do you issue to the people that you will leave them alone?

The Federtion already appears top heavy, with few local representatives.

Originally posted by Magus:

As for being a pauper in exile you need to read the Constitution more closely. Criminals would not be imprisoned or exiled to foreign nations. They would exiled to penal colonys. They would be given the tools nessecery to grow their own food and survive on their own and that is all. This way the only taxpayer money being spent on criminals is the money required for the farming equipment and the security to make sure they don't escape from their island prison (or whatever location the colony happens to be). In this way minimull cost will be placed upon the honest taxpayers.

What happens to a criminals assets and money? Does the state confiscate it? Or does it pass to his heirs?

Originally posted by Magus:

3) Firearms. There is a difference between a .22 and a M16. Between a hunting rifle or shotgun and a bazooka. Even in the US the more dangerous firearms are only legal to those with the proper permit. I don't think Bazookas and Vulcan cannons would be necessary or appropriate in the civilian population. Again the specifics laws will have to be made by the elected represenetives.

magus, your spewing the normal line of a U.S. anti-gun whacko.

No one is asking to keep a bazooka. The Constitution of the Federation needs to gurantee the right to bear arms, and to define what those acceptable arms are vs, the unacceptable ones.
The Constitution is too broad and encompassing when it defines an unaceptable firearm as being a dnagerous firearm. It's too open to interpretation to the wims of the folks in power.

Originally posted by Magus:

4) Many governments including the US require an individual to make an oath when they recieve a high ranking office or other government position. If you disagree with the governing body then you may either move to a nation that is not part of the federation or simply wait till election time and vote for a different candidate, same things you can do now.

Can I be critical and vocal of the federation without fear of reprisal?

Originally posted by Magus:

7) There is no way to tell who the first Supreme State Soveriegn will be. Amadeus himself has completely refuses to even entertain the thought he himself being chosen. He has already refused to be considered. .

Speaking of Amadeus,

I cannot find any biographical info on him. Most all links on the net link back to the Global Nation.

How old is this guy. Is he of THE Rockefeller family? Where was he born? Where was he educated. Does the Rockefeller family endorce Global Nation? How about some background on Amadeus, please?

Originally posted by Magus:

You've been a great help. However, I need more specification on some points as you can see.

Originally posted by Sons of Liberty:
I have a question Magus. You have stated that those countries who wish not to join this global government will not be forced to do so. Now tell me what will the ramifications of not joining be? Will they see UN style "peacekeeping" troops or will they be refused trade with member countries? Or perhaps could any negotiations done with member countries be unfairly bent to favor members of this global government?

Is it not in mankinds best interest to have "competing" nations so that in the event of oppression people can attempt to escape to other countries? With a one world government, if such atrocities should come to fruition there will be no place for the oppressed masses to flee to.

Non-members would not be punished for their choice. They simply would not have the benefits of being a member state. As far as negotiations are concerned it would be just like when one nation is negotiating with another nation. When the USA formed all member states became one nation. Same concept with GN.

The people will vote for whom they choose. If an individual is corrupt I would hope the people would not vote for them. If a GN senetor or other high ranking official is found to be corrupt they will be removed. Corrupt regiems also will be removed.

As to whether seperate or united nations is a better idea that is a matter of personal opinion isn't it? With seperate nations you will continue to have war with more and more powerful weapons.

Constitutionalist,

We constantly are discussing amongst ourselves what revisions, clarifications, and additions need to be made to the constitution. The document is not "finalized" and certain topics are taking longer to be included due to the importance of making sure everything is phrased correctly. We don't want any confusion as to the meaning of any parts of the document. So yes the freedoms will be specified and added at a later date. Thats simply not something you would want to be hasty about though is it? Too important to make a mistake about. You have to realize that Global Nation is still a very young organization and is still developing as such.
Would you please explain what you mean by "top heavy". You would still have your city, county, state, and federal government and respective constitutions. This would simply be another layer to hadle the issues that should be handled at the global level.

As for the gun issue I have already stated that the document is being revised and the more fine details and specifics are still being developed.

Yes you can be openly critical of the federation. Without input from the public how can the government properly serve the people?

As for Amadeus you will probably find very little info on him other than his occupation as a screen writer. If you want to know more about him I suggest you simply e-mail him and ask him yourself. Thats what I did.

Thank you for your questions I hope I cleared up some points for you.

If you or any one else would like to contact any of the GN reps (including Amadeus) or have any suggestions on how we could improve the proposed constitution you may send an e-mail to: GlobalNation@Rockefeller.com.au

Gorby called our new ten commandments

Originally posted by Magus:
I never said I supported the idea of a one world religion and I don't know of anyone that does but maybe you do. As for the idea of a democracy you are correct. However that is why the founders of the USA created a democratic republic not simply one or the other. They attempted to blend the best points of both styles of government and I feel that overall they did a pretty darn good job. If you read the GN constitution you would see that we have done the same. If you see anything in the document that you feel is left out or could be improved upon let me know. We are human and there for are naturally imperfect. Suggestions are always appreciated.

No?
Well today we are called protectionists and isolationists, by the globalist crowd.
Heck the people in Canada are told we are selfish for wanting to hold America ,,for Americans.

Originally posted by Magus:
The only nations that will be apart of GN are the ones that choose to be. If a nation chooses not to be apart of GN then they won't be. It's not that complicated really.

Originally posted by The Constitutionalist:
[[/B]

>>> when referring to guns you said that no one is desiring to own a bazooka. Maybe, maybe not but doe this not lead us to arbitrary restriction. As for me I say let them own whatever gun they choose. Criminals, whether citizens or government officials will have no such barriers why should we?

Originally posted by Magus:
Non-members would not be punished for their choice. They simply would not have the benefits of being a member state. As far as negotiations are concerned it would be just like when one nation is negotiating with another nation. When the USA formed all member states became one nation. Same concept with GN.

.>> Today we do not remove corrupt officials, what makes you think that a one world govt would change this. Most people on the face of this earth are used to living under corruption and oppression, are we to suppose that suddenly they are going to make a stand against such aggregious behavior?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Magus:
[B]Constitutionalist,

We constantly are discussing amongst ourselves what revisions, clarifications, and additions need to be made to the constitution. The document is not "finalized" and certain topics are taking longer to be included due to the importance of making sure everything is phrased correctly. We don't want any confusion as to the meaning of any parts of the document. So yes the freedoms will be specified and added at a later date. Thats simply not something you would want to be hasty about though is it? Too important to make a mistake about. You have to realize that Global Nation is still a very young organization and is still developing as such.
Would you please explain what you mean by "top heavy". You would still have your city, county, state, and federal government and respective constitutions. This would simply be another layer to hadle the issues that should be handled at the global level.

>>>>>>ANOTHER LAYER OF TAXES TOO. AND EXACTLY WHEN SHOULD WE EXPECT TO KNOW THESE FREEDOMS OR WILL THIS BE A "LIVING, BREATHING" DOCUMENT?

As for the gun issue I have already stated that the document is being revised and the more fine details and specifics are still being developed.

>>> MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO DESIRE A GLOBAL ENTITY ARE FOR THE REMOVAL OF ALL CIVILIAN ARMS. wHAT IS THE AMENDMENT PROCESS HERE AND WHAT WILL KEEP THIS FREEDOM FROM BEING REMOVED SHORTLY AFTER MEMBERSHIP IS ESTABLISHED?

Yes you can be openly critical of the federation. Without input from the public how can the government properly serve the people?

>>> I REMEMBER READING OF A SIMILAR SITUATION IN COMMUNIST CHINA UNDER MAO. I BELIEVE IT WAS CALLED "THE HUNDRED FLOWERS PERIOD" (1956-1957) OF COURSE AFTER THOSE WHO HAD SPOKEN OUT WERE CONSIDERED RIGHTISTS AND WERE SUBSEQUENTLY SENT TO THEIR DEATH OR FOR "REEDUCATION"

Originally posted by Magus:
Well it says in the constitution that citizens may own firearms. Sons I know you are highly skeptical of GN and I respect that. However instead of me eventually posting every line from the document why don't you read it yourself or look in the table of contents and read the parts you are concerned about. Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with answering questions. However if you have the means to find out on your own why not persue it and then if you need clarification come to me. Thats why we have the document posted on the net for everyone to read.

Magus,

I believe that my problem with accepting a Global Government lies here.

1) America is a propserous nation. The rest of the world expects America to dole out money to support the rest of the world.

As a small business man myself, who runs a small and profitable business through hard work, and my own risk capital, I am not willing to give any more in additional tax money on top of the money I already give my own government. Correct me if I am wrong, but the proposed federation of Global Nation has it's hand out for more money, that will be funneled to the rest of the world's thirtd world nation's peoples to elevate their position in life. That's called welfare and social engineering.

What I see is the leveling of the playing field for all, and the removal of my comforts and finances to give comfort and finances to someone I don't even know.

Now, I tithe and give to charaties, I support foreign causes through charitable contributions.

How can you gurantee me that the proposed federation will not become a bloated bureaurocrasy that is wasteful and irresponsible with the funds it takes in in taxes from me? My own government does it, I am not sure the federation wouldn't do the same.

2) In America I am reasonably left alone to live my life. I am law abiding. I have property. I have guns. I have a voice to speek out. I have liberty. I have religious freedom.

Why would I not expect a federation body made up of europeans, thirtd world nations, socialist and communist countries to somehow remove my liberties, finances and property to benefit someone they deem fit to give it to?

Why would I not expect the federation member nations who are increasingly becoming more hateful and hostile towards Americans and our way of life to rule with my best interests at heart?

3)In America I have a Bill of Rights, A Constitution that still offers a reasonable about of protections to me, the individual. I have a Government that still is the best in the world, in spite all it's problems.

Why would I want to trade that in for a domestic government that would be a puppet
for a Global Government?

4) Your constitution states that only the federation would coin money, that all money would be equal in value in all states.

That tells me that your constitution would dictate that my American money would be devalued in order to meet the value of foriegn currencies of third world nations. This would wipe me out and destroy everything I have worked for and will pass to my children. (I am sure the Rockefeller family would somehow escape that fate.)

Why would I want to see my hard work and savings destroyed so that sone other country's people can attain prosperity at my and millians of American's expense?

5) I will only swear an oath to the Son of God, Jesus Christ. I will only swear allegiance to my flag and country. I will die for what I cherish, my freedoms and liberty, and my fear is that my beliefs are in opposition to Global Nation.

Global Nation appears to be founded by a Rockefeller, who is a total enigma and a Mystery to me.

I don't trust the Rockefellers, or any other one world, utopian, globalist, nor do O favor any type of Global movement, as Scripture has plainly pointed out, that one world currencies and globalism is insideous and will be destructive to the world.

I believe Global Nation to be the camel's nose under the tent. That on the surface, the movement appears to be benevolent and altruistic, but underneath there is no room for people like myself who believe in God first, individuality, hard work, and ethics.

I see the proposed federation as a forced system upon me and others, and that I will have no voice, and would be subjected to the will amd wims of a Socialistic and tyranical system.

Magus,

I respect that you seek world peace and prosperity.

A rule of economics is this. For one person to be wealthy, another must not be. For everyone to have a decent standard of living would only serve to lower the standards of living of those judged to be too wealthy or prosperous. That is a mark of communism. Punish the inovative and hard workers to improve the lot of those who are only marginal in their work ethic and inovation.

The Federation would serve only to control people, so that a few elites would have the comforts and prestige upon the backs of the masses. Again, a communistic system dressed up as some benevolent and altruistic system.

The Federation would do better to channel it's resourses into propagating democracy, and liberty worldwide. So that all peoples could realize their full potential, with less regulating and intrusive government, rather than a whole new encompasing government added to the mix.

I am afraid that the proposed federation seeks to make things better for some, by making all people total equals in all ways, in religion, finances, property, liberties, and thought, even if under coersion and force.

I am and American. I respect your freedom to air your ideas, and would like to continue to discuss this with you as time permits.

However, I think that if the Federation came to fruition, that myself and others would be presecuted and either executed or exiled for our refusal to swear affirmation or allegiance to the proposed federation. For being individuals rather then being part of the collective.

What say you, my friend?

Magus,

Why do you feel that you must come to this one message board and win our hearts and minds?

Second, you never really addressed what I asked. Instead of this one world global government, why don't we instead try to make the nations of the world independent republics modled similar to the United States?

It seems to me you are simply going for what looks to be the easy solution in your mind - but not the best.

Question: Why a global government?

Answer: Bescause someone or something will benefit.

Originally posted by Administrator2:
Magus,

What other answer is there than that? And I don't for one second buy your theories that it's society, the people of the world that will benefit. In reality that would never happen. One group will benefit and everyone else will die. I don't buy any of this. This is for someone else's benefit, not mine or anyone else here.

Magus is a GN representative in the U.S., I believe.

Are there promises issued here from GN for his tireless work?

Originally posted by Administrator2:
Magus,

What other answer is there than that? And I don't for one second buy your theories that it's society, the people of the world that will benefit. In reality that would never happen. One group will benefit and everyone else will die. I don't buy any of this. This is for someone else's benefit, not mine or anyone else here.

I cannpt trust a movement, where the founder is shrouded in mystery, who comes from an elitest family.

Were Amadeus Rockefeller to denounce his wealth and family, and to come forward with his views and background himself, I would be more prone to listening to his ideas.

Since he has a group of mouthpieces who speak for him and since he remains an enigma, I kind of get the creeps about him.

Is he too good to interface with the common man?

Originally posted by Magus:
Well it says in the constitution that citizens may own firearms. Sons I know you are highly skeptical of GN and I respect that. However instead of me eventually posting every line from the document why don't you read it yourself or look in the table of contents and read the parts you are concerned about. Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with answering questions. However if you have the means to find out on your own why not persue it and then if you need clarification come to me. Thats why we have the document posted on the net for everyone to read.

>>> I have reviewed many of the documents and it scares me greatly. I am trying to pose questions in order to have others, perhaps yourself included, think through this issue and perhaps come up with critical questions themselves. Anyone other then God who controls the entire world will pose a threat. Funny how we concern ourselves with companies which gain monopolies, yet when governments do we show no such concern. Are governments not made up of men just as companies are? Both have the ability to abuse their power. The difference is with a company I can choose an alternative or one will surely be created out of necessity. With government the alternative is frequently death.

Originally posted by The Constitutionalist:
Magus,

Originally posted by Administrator2:
Magus,

What other answer is there than that? And I don't for one second buy your theories that it's society, the people of the world that will benefit. In reality that would never happen. One group will benefit and everyone else will die. I don't buy any of this. This is for someone else's benefit, not mine or anyone else here.

I am not trying to win anyones heart or mind. I am trying to have an intelligent debate/conversation. I am always interested in hearing other points of view and what better place than a forum such as this?

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Originally posted by The Constitutionalist:

Magus is a GN representative in the U.S., I believe.

I have already stated that I am in fact a rep for GN. I have also stated how someone could find out who I am. As for promises to me for my hard work, no. You fight for what you believe in and I do the same, thats all their is to that.

Originally posted by The Constitutionalist:
I cannpt trust a movement, where the founder is shrouded in mystery, who comes from an elitest family.

Originally posted by Magus:
I am not trying to win anyones heart or mind. I am trying to have an intelligent debate/conversation. I am always interested in hearing other points of view and what better place than a forum such as this?

As for why I feel that a global government is the optimal choice the answer is simple. As long as their are seperate nations then their will always be a conflict of interest between nations and groups that pressure for war. More powerful weapons of mass destruction are being developed and as long as their are seperate nations their will be a possibility of war and the temptation to use such weapons. In a hundred years we may have weapons that make todays nukes look like toys. Such weapons should never have to be used again.

>>> One nation will remove the threat of wars? What happened during the civil war? How about the unrest that brought about the Communist republic of China? How about the fighting factions in the former yugoslavia? How about today in Israel. Removing borders does not end the threat of war. Hate causes war. Until a way to end hate is devised wars will still exist. Of course the embedded brain chip may reduce us all to loyal robots thus ending war. Oh what a joyous day that will be.

Originally posted by Magus:
As I said if you wish to know more about him simply ask him. It would not be right of me to post his biography on this board anymore that it would be right of me to post yours. As for interfaceing with the "common" man he does that on a regular basis. Just because he isn't a member of this board doesn't mean he doesn't talk to people. Contact him and he will reply honestly. As for his supposed "wealth" and the rest of the Rockefeller clan you really would have to discuss that with him to understand what is really going on with that.

>>> there is a difference between devulging information, such as a biography, of a person in the public eye, as opposed to that of a private citizen. He should openly state his beliefs, credentials etc for all to see, especially if he seeks the power that is spoken of.

Originally posted by Magus:
I am not trying to win anyones heart or mind. I am trying to have an intelligent debate/conversation. I am always interested in hearing other points of view and what better place than a forum such as this?

As for why I feel that a global government is the optimal choice the answer is simple. As long as their are seperate nations then their will always be a conflict of interest between nations and groups that pressure for war. More powerful weapons of mass destruction are being developed and as long as their are seperate nations their will be a possibility of war and the temptation to use such weapons. In a hundred years we may have weapons that make todays nukes look like toys. Such weapons should never have to be used again.

Ok, so now we're getting some where.

You see both sides of this discussio have a fear.

We fear the wrath of a global nation. You fear the destruction of individual nations.

The difference is that history is on our side. We know what can happen, just by following the line of "history repeats itself."

You however fear the unwritten. That the world will end in nuclear war. Your only rational for this is that bigger, "better" more deadly weapons are being constructed and being constructed by more and more nations. No advancement in weapons technology has led to the deaths of mass amount of people (in general terms). However, plans of global domination have led to the deaths of masses of people.

Don't you see, it's not the bullet, it's not the trigger that kills people - it's the trigger finger.

I now understand your fear and this movement. Such fear has exposed the evil that truly lies behind Global Nation.

Originally posted by The Constitutionalist:
Magus,

Originally posted by Sons of Liberty:
>>> there is a difference between devulging information, such as a biography, of a person in the public eye, as opposed to that of a private citizen. He should openly state his beliefs, credentials etc for all to see, especially if he seeks the power that is spoken of.

Originally posted by Administrator2:
Ok, so now we're getting some where.

I now understand your fear and this movement. Such fear has exposed the evil that truly lies behind Global Nation.

Originally posted by Magus:
History does indeed repeat itself. And as long as their are seperate nations there will continue to be war. History has shown that. It has also shown that the war continue to be more destructive. And what do you no device of war has caused the deaths of a large amount of people. Haven't you heard of the A-Bomb? That one device killed quite a few people. The nukes we have now a days makes that bomb look like a firework. If you call wanting to end war, end slavery, and end famine evil then I think you need to go find look it up because you got the meaning very wrong.

You're not thinking on the level that I am thinking. Go back and read what I wrote again.

Of course the A-Bomb killed many people. But it also saved many more lives in the long run.

I was speaking on general terms of the advancement of weapons not leading to the destruction of the world. Sure, yes, on a specific level weapons kill many, many people. The more advanced weapons get, the more they can destroy more people at once. But no weapon has brought about the destruction of the planet. People bring about the destruction of the planet.

You totally missed the concept. This leads me to believe that you have not totally thought about what Global Nation means and what it will lead to if it becomes a reality.

Originally posted by Administrator2:
You're not thinking on the level that I am thinking. Go back and read what I wrote again.

Your fears are misplaced.

Yes those seeking global domination has resulted in millions of deaths, because they were conqouring other nations trying to force their rule on people. That is not our way. If people want what we offer then they can except it. If they don't want it then they don't have to elect our people. There is a huge difference. One way is force. Our way is by choice.

Weapons of mass destruction would not be created unless someone was willing to use them. Yes people can destroy the planet because they are afraid. Afraid another nation will take their land, property, etc. Because of this fear people have created really nasty weapons to easily kill lots of people at one time.

The people in government have no problem using these weapons if they think they have to. As long as there are seperate nations there will be war after war and they will continue to be more and more destructive.

That is not a misplaced fear that is fact. I have history on my side on that point. You feel my fears are misplaced and I feel your fears are misplaced. It seems we will simply have to agree to disagree since neither one of us will ever win that discussion. I will keep discussing it with you if you would like though.

I think you're still missing my point. Yes we'll have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Administrator2:
I think you're still missing my point. Yes we'll have to agree to disagree.

My point is that I fear government, I don't fear weapons.

Originally posted by Magus:
You fear governments. I fear governments that fear other governments.

So you propose that there be one super government uniting many governments - and they will not harm the minority of the other governments (not in the federation), not in any way at all, never?

And if there's one thing we've learned in America, the solution is never more government.

Originally posted by Administrator2:
So you propose that there be one super government uniting many governments - and they will not harm the minority of the other governments (not in the federation), not in any way at all, never?

I don't see that possible.

Originally posted by Magus:
Unless one of the seperate governments attacked the Federation then why would they be harmed? Wouldn't make any sense.

Perhaps the wrong people get elected, the system gets screwed up, some loonie takes over and attacks the miniority of independent nations. (There we go from now on in this conversation the two sides will be reffred to as such, the Federation and the Minority of Independent Nations or MIN for short )

The point is that people mess things up. People can also solve things. One person can mess up a lot of things. (Hitler)

One person can also solve a lot of problems.

The proposed Global Nation is the wrong solution. As long as there are people you will not end the problems of people. As long as there's nature you will not end the problems of nature. Another form of government will not end the problems involved in government.

We can go back and forth on this forever.

Perhaps a MIN nation contains a resource that the Federation needs more of and a MIN refuses to trade with the Federation?

Originally posted by Administrator2:
Perhaps a MIN nation contains a resource that the Federation needs more of and a MIN refuses to trade with the Federation?

What happens then?

Originally posted by Magus:
By the time GN has enough support in the various governments to actually form the Federation resources will not be a problem. The Federation is not going to come into existence just because three or four nations support the idea. It will occur once a large majority of the nations support it.

Ok so what happens on the opposite then?

What if a MIN nation is in need of assistance? Would GN then jump in a provide them with assistance - or would they force that country into the GN in order to recieve the assistance?

The United States does this today without geeting anything back most of the time. We encourage countries that we help out to adopt our system of government, but we do not force them.

Would it be the same way with GN? Is there any gurantee of this to the other nations that refuse to join?

If there isn't, then you are in fact making nations join by force.

What if, what if, what if...

Originally posted by Administrator2:
Perhaps the wrong people get elected, the system gets screwed up, some loonie takes over and attacks the miniority of independent nations. (There we go from now on in this conversation the two sides will be reffred to as such, the Federation and the Minority of Independent Nations or MIN for short )

At this rate we probably will go back and forth forever. Of course I would like to think that we both have valid points even though we disagree.

Peace!

Peace!

Just like that ol UN a?

Originally posted by Magus:
By the time GN has enough support in the various governments to actually form the Federation resources will not be a problem. The Federation is not going to come into existence just because three or four nations support the idea. It will occur once a large majority of the nations support it.

Originally posted by Administrator2:
Also, what happens to a nation when it wants to leave the federtion? Would it be allowed to do so freely, without harm?

Of Course, just how we can leave the UN, Gatt and NAFTA....
Well you can see how well that works.

Originally posted by Administrator2:
Also, what happens to a nation when it wants to leave the federtion? Would it be allowed to do so freely, without harm?

Ok, as I have read more about this, it seems to make more sense in my original belief about it. That is, if any one group wishes to control all of the nations in one govt, then there is that chance of a totalitarian evil behind it.

Now, as all those who have started in the past along the same lines to gain control of the world or that as they knew it all met with violent ends.

The fact of the matter is, that when there are people involved, there is no certainty. Magus and his kind can give no garuntees that there system would be so willing to let a member nation out if they so decided, and it is absurd that would say so. He says that they would not use force or coersion to gain member states, but with a govt that is all encompasing they would naturally grow greedy and wish for more states.

What if there were a non member nation that held resources that the GN wanted and they would not deal? Well as Magus says there would be no wars because joing all people under one banner would resolve that. Well that too is just plain stupid to think. People are people and no flag or one world govt is going to stop the fact that there will be conflict, and inevidibly war. Or is it because they will share one govt that it will not be a war, what do we call it then, a neighborhood dispute?

Originally posted by Administrator2:
Also, what happens to a nation when it wants to leave the federtion? Would it be allowed to do so freely, without harm?

Originally posted by nascarfan:
Now, as all those who have started in the past along the same lines to gain control of the world or that as they knew it all met with violent ends.

>sp?< contraption.

I thought you folks would like to read an e-mail I received from Amadeus regarding our discussions. Enjoy!

Dear Joseph

I think the debates on Newsmax are interesting. However these people are very focused on negative issues. I think all these people who are debating with you have good hearts and the right motives - but many are set in their ways of thinking, many are programmed from birth upward to believe that their world and the people who try their best to manage it are evil or whatever. And alot of them, not the ones commentating, the ones who read all the arguments are the ones we need to enlighten. Americans, Australians, the British and other 'civilized' nations are sitting in a comfortzone and are I believe a little out-of-touch with the terrible life that the other 3/4 of our planet suffer everyday. I have travelled the world on a few occasions and know outside our own borders that this planet can be shocking, cold and merciless place. These suffering ones are the ones that need GN most of all and these ones are hopefully reading your posts. If you can try and bring some focus on the guaranteed Basic Human Rights ( CHAPTER VIII - GENERAL PROVISIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION 104) that everyone will share under the federation this may be a bigger boost to peoples hopes that you can imagine. You never know some 15 year old school girl in the Congo, Afghanistan, Palestine, China or wherever an oppressive system may reign, may have managed to gain access to her school internet service may be desperately seeking salvation from her war-torn or savaged lifestyle. GN is that beckon of hope and light for her. Let her see that light and what hope it promises. She is our sister, perhaps an extremely distance one by many thousand generations, but she is still our sister. She is part of our human family and she deserves a better life. Lets help her and the millions of others like her. Give them hope. Honor them and GN will be honored.

Thank you and keep up the good work.

Respectfully Yours

Amadeus Rockefeller
Presiding Officer for Global Nation

Originally posted by Magus:
I thought you folks would like to read an e-mail I received from Amadeus regarding our discussions. Enjoy!

Thats very interesting. I could go and type something and sign it the same way or as President Bush. Maybe there is something a little more credible you could offer.

Originally posted by Magus:
You forgot to mention that all of those people used violent means. We want peace not war. Seeking war would completely contradict the reason for GN's creation. Those who seek power will use violence, secrecy, and manipulation. GN is out in the open and not out to force anyone to do anything. We will let the people decide as it should be.

Thats interesting as well. Out of all of the comments I made, you choose one small portion to comment on. The only thing that you and your GN cohorts have showed me is that you are the same as any other group that has wanted to control the world under their own elitist government. You want control, and thats that.

Originally posted by nascarfan:
Thats very interesting. I could go and type something and sign it the same way or as President Bush. Maybe there is something a little more credible you could offer.

Originally posted by nascarfan:
Thats interesting as well. Out of all of the comments I made, you choose one small portion to comment on. The only thing that you and your GN cohorts have showed me is that you are the same as any other group that has wanted to control the world under their own elitist government. You want control, and thats that.

Mr. Magus appears to be a Mr. Joseph Stair. Just check above his post to email him.

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